we know her defense is not credible. the one where she says well, there was a classified and there was you can classified. look, when you have a classified thing that you can say, the unclassified is simply stuff that is detailed to back it up which you don't want to reveal. but in this case, they're claiming that the classified was a completely different story, a preplanned -- >> bill: she shouldn't have said anything. >> unclassified is a spontaneous demonstration. so it isn't a back up of the classified story. >> bill: it didn't make any sense to mccain and graham and to ayotte today. it doesn't. if you have classified information you can't say, you don't say anything. you don't go out and say something that's totally false. but you say speculation, though, charles. we have a minute to go. the c.i.a. would have had to have known, petraeus would have had to have known that rice was spinning a false narrative, yet he didn't say anything. >> you're talking about why nobody reacted afterwards? >> bill: yeah. >> i think th